but the fact of the matter is, there was a maniac on friday who attacked an elementary school in china with a knife, not a gun. 22 children were injured. nobody died. we have 9,000, 1,146 murders with guns in the united states or deaths in the united states a couple years ago. germany had 158. canada 173. the united states has 15 times more than anybody else on a populpo population basis. there is one reason and one reason only, insane attitude towards guns. the nra should stop, they won't. we should stop them from being enablers of mass murder. >> being the national rifle association. congressman, thanks very much for your perspective. >> thank you. >> jerriey edjerry. >>> former chief economist at the u.s. sentencing commission and author of the third edition of the book "more guns, less crimes." thank you very much for coming in. i'll give you a chance to respond. the united states has a lot more murders, you just heard from congressman nadler. he said it's because there are so many guns that are so easiil available out there. >> well, you look at the murder rates in the other count